So why am I researching Franny Frazer? Because David Knapp insists that these are the parents of William Andrew Ridge who married Ethel Linderborn. He knew the family. This conflicts with stories told by our own family members, but I have to look into it just be sure.... comments from David Knapp are at the end of this post, under Research.
Sarah Francis "Fanny" Frazer
Sarah Francis "Fanny" Frazer
daughter of Calvin & Agnes Ann (Weaver) Frazer
Born January 20, 1863 in Preston Ill.
Died August 1903
Buried in Preston Ill.
Married
(1st) Andrew Ridge
married June 14, 1899
son of
Born
Died abt. 1896 in a mine accident in Rich Hill Mo
I've searched mining fatality lists, newspaper articles, etc - so far finding no mention of a Ridge dying in a mining accident
I've searched mining fatality lists, newspaper articles, etc - so far finding no mention of a Ridge dying in a mining accident
(2nd) William (Frederick?) Deppe
son of William & (Engelbrest) Deppe
Born Sept. 1865 in Illinois
Died
Siblings of Sarah:
Josephine 1851-
Alexander 1853-
George Albert Frazer 1 Nov 1854 -13 Jan 1930
Emma Frazer 1857 - (Mamie Kline, in obit?)
Alexander 1853-
George Albert Frazer 1 Nov 1854 -13 Jan 1930
Emma Frazer 1857 - (Mamie Kline, in obit?)
Marcus Frazer 1868-
Children:
William Ridge
Charles Ridge
1860
two of Sarah's siblings with another family? (What year did Calvin die?)
1860 United States Federal Census about Josephine Frazier
Name: Josephine Frazier
Age in 1860: 9
Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1860: Ursa, Adams, Illinois
Gender: Female
Post Office: Ursa
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Frazier 45
Eva M Frazier 38
Theophilus Frazier 16
Montgomery Frazier 14
Alexander Frazier 6
Thomas Frazier 2
Mary J Glass 21
Mary S Frazier 12
Josephine Frazier 9
Ida Frazier 1
In 1860 there is a Josephine & Alexander in the census with Samuel & Eva Frazier - is Samuel related to Calvin perhaps, and Calvin & Agnes took in two of their children for some reason?
1870
Name: Fanny Frazier
Age in 1870: 6
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1870: Township 5 Range 7, Randolph, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Preston
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Frazier 42
Josephine Frazier 19
Alexander Frazier 17
George Frazier 15
Emma Frazier 13
Fanny Frazier 6
Marguis Frazier 2
two of Sarah's siblings with another family? (What year did Calvin die?)
1860 United States Federal Census about Josephine Frazier
Name: Josephine Frazier
Age in 1860: 9
Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1860: Ursa, Adams, Illinois
Gender: Female
Post Office: Ursa
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Frazier 45
Eva M Frazier 38
Theophilus Frazier 16
Montgomery Frazier 14
Alexander Frazier 6
Thomas Frazier 2
Mary J Glass 21
Mary S Frazier 12
Josephine Frazier 9
Ida Frazier 1
In 1860 there is a Josephine & Alexander in the census with Samuel & Eva Frazier - is Samuel related to Calvin perhaps, and Calvin & Agnes took in two of their children for some reason?
1870
Name: Fanny Frazier
Age in 1870: 6
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1870: Township 5 Range 7, Randolph, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Preston
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Frazier 42
Josephine Frazier 19
Alexander Frazier 17
George Frazier 15
Emma Frazier 13
Fanny Frazier 6
Marguis Frazier 2
Josephine & Agnes are back in the same household as their mother, but thier father has died.
1880
Two George's. One is the son, one is the grandson, I believe. Both are George A. For the first George, Sarah, Marcus & Josephine, the fathers birthplace is given as PA. For the second George, the birthplace of his father is given as Illinois.
George's occupation is Miner
Agnes is listed as "keeping house" and under illnesses has a note about her lungs
Note - Agnes, and her husband (unknown) were born in PA.
Name: Sarah F. Frazer
Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1880: Freeburgh, St Clair, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's name: Agnes A. Frazer
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes A. Frazer 53 (Mother of George)
Josephine Frazer 29
George A. Frazer 25 (listed in Sarah's Obit in 1903)
Sarah F. Frazer 17
Marcus L. Frazer 12 (listed in Sarah's Obit in 1903)
George A. Frazer 7 (This George would be the grandson of Agnes, son of George above)
Alice N. Frazer 2 (I think this is also a daughter of George age 25 above)
George's Death Record shows that his parents were Calvin & Agnes (Weaver) Frazer. I am going to assume that Sarah has the same parents. But this is an assumption, i am not 100% positive that THIS George is the George above.
Name: George Alber Frazer
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1854
Birth Place: Rockwood, IL
Death Date: 13 Jan 1930
Death Place: Lenzburg, Illinois
Burial Date: 15 Jan 1930
Burial Place: Lenzburg, IL
Death Age: 75
Occupation: Retired
Race: White
Marital Status: M
Gender: Male
Residence: Lenzburg, IL
Father Name: Calvin Frazer
Mother Name: Agnes Ann Weaver
Spouse Name: Clara A. Frazer
FHL Film Number: 1643652
William Deppe in the 1880 Census
Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1880: St Clair, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: William Deppe
Father's Birthplace: Prussia
Mother's Birthplace: Prussia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Works On Farm
Household Members:
Name Age
William Deppe 44
Louis Deppe 21
William Deppe 17
Fred Deppe 15
Edward Deppe 13
Hannah Deppe 7
Mary Englebrest 78 (Mother in Law of William Sr)
Hannah Kasse 39 (sister in law, maiden name Englebrest?)
First husband, Andrew, died.
From Sarah's Obit - "She was first married to Andrew Ridge, who was killed six or seven years ago in a mine accident at Ridge Hill, Mo"
1900 - Living in Illinois, Age 37
1900 Census
Name: Fred W Deppe
Age: 34
Birth Date: Sep 1865
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1900: Belleville Ward 2, St Clair, Illinois
[St. Clair]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred W Deppe 34
Fanny Rich 37
William Rich 14
Katie Lisch 14
1903, Age 40, Sarah Dies
Saturday, August 22, 1903 Belleville Daily Advocate Sarah Fanny Deppe (nee Frazer), wife of Frederick Deppe, died at 11:30 o'clock Saturday at St. Elizabeth's hospital, after an illness of two weeks. She was born at Preston, Ill., on January 20, 1863, and was, therefore 40 years, 7 months and 1 day old at the time of her demise. She was first married to Andrew Ridge, who was killed six or seven years ago in a mine accident at Ridge Hill, Mo. She was next married to William Deppe, on June 14, 1899. She leaves her husband, and sons William and Charles Ridge, both of here, also brothers, George Frazer, in Lenzburg, and Mark Frazer of here, and a sister, Mrs. Mamie Kline, of Pittsburg, Kansas. The body will be taken to Preston, Ill., Monday for burial.
Research:
Messages from David Knapp -
Wrong Parents for Wm. Ridge
DavidKnapp1934 added this on 11 Mar 2013
William's parents are Andrew Ridge & Sarah Frances Frazer. William was born 25 Jun 1885 in Rich Hill, Bates County, Missouri. His father died there in 1888. His mother born 20 Jan 1863 in Preston, Randolph County, Illinois and died 22 Aug 1903 in Belleville, St.Clair County, Illinois.
dk122834 29 Apr 1910 Census
Belleville, St.Clair, Illinois Ward 1
10 1/2 S. Jackson Steet Dwelling 315 Family 317
Ethel Ridge (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
Age in 1910: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: New Jersey
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Belleville Ward 1, St Clair, Illinois
Marital Status: Married M-2yrs
Children: (1–0)
Race: White
Gender: Female
Household Members:
Name Age
William A Ridge 23
Ethel Ridge 20 (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
The dead child listed above was replaced with a boy born to a mother that was not married, his father was a St. Louis, Mo. Doctor. He was stolen from his mother by a nurse named Mary who switched birth certificates and claimed him as Ethel's son named Harold.
In early 1940's William Andrew Ridge brought him to Belleville, Illinois to the Frazer family. He also came to our house to see my Mother & Father. My mother was also stolen from her mother. In order to try to seal the real identity of my mother,s mother, a dozen lies were told. My mother was given to the Ridge's also. But 3 months later she was taken away from the Ridges for good. This woman told my mother that children were taken away from their mother but know one will ever know the truth. SHE IS NOW WRONG.
The true Harold Ridge to some extent.
DEATHS: Oct. 16, 1914 Belleville, Illinois
On Oct 17, 1914 a still born child of Wm. & Ethel Ridge buried in Walnut Hill Cemetery in Belleville, Illinois.
About 1945 Wm. Ridge brought Harold Ridge to Belleville, Illinois.A Frazer brought them to see my parents. They would not tell my mother were they were staying. MORE LIES.
29 April 1910 Census Belleville, Precinct 2 Ward 1
St. Clair County, Illinois Sheet 16B Image 32
10 ½ South Jackson Dwelling 375 Family 377
Ridge, William A. Head: M. W. 23 M-2 Coalminer Missouri Missouri Missouri
Ridge, Ethel Blank: F. W. 20 New Jersey Pennsylvania Pennsylvania
15 Jan 1920 Census: Baltimore Maryland
1512 Grace Court Dwelling 224 Family 273
Harold Wridge
Home in 1920: Baltimore Ward 25, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland
Age: 9 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Maryland
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: William
Father's Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother's Name: Ethel
Mother's Birth Place: New Jersey
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wridge 3 Error 33 years old
Ethel Wridge 29 (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
Harold Wridge 9 (Born 12 Apr 1911 Missouri)
Ethel Wridge 6
Ralph Wridge 2 4/12
Mina Wridge 1 3/12
8 Apr 1930 Census: Baltimore City Baltimore, Maryland
Ward 23 Block 87 1724 Clarkson St. Dwelling 150 Family 155
Harold A Ridge
Home in 1930: Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912 Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: William A
Mother's Name: Ethel E (Ethel Marie nee Lindeborn)
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
William A Ridge 43
Ethel E Ridge 40 (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
Harold A Ridge 18 (Adopted or Stollen)
Ethel M Ridge 16
Ralph R Ridge 12
Nina F Ridge 11
Mildred L Ridge 9
Lavalle W Ridge 7
Amanda L Ridge 6
dk122834 dk122834 The true Harold Ridge to some extent.
DEATHS: Oct. 16, 1914 Belleville, Illinois
On Oct 17, 1914 a still born child of Wm. & Ethel Ridge buried in Walnut Hill Cemetery in Belleville, Illinois.
About 1945 Wm. Ridge brought Harold Ridge to Belleville, Illinois.A Frazer brought them to see my parents. They would not tell my mother were they were staying. MORE LIES.
29 April 1910 Census Belleville, Precinct 2 Ward 1
St. Clair County, Illinois Sheet 16B Image 32
10 ½ South Jackson Dwelling 375 Family 377
Ridge, William A. Head: M. W. 23 M-2 Coalminer Missouri Missouri Missouri
Ridge, Ethel Blank: F. W. 20 New Jersey Pennsylvania Pennsylvania
15 Jan 1920 Census: Baltimore Maryland
1512 Grace Court Dwelling 224 Family 273
Harold Wridge
Home in 1920: Baltimore Ward 25, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland
Age: 9 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Maryland
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: William
Father's Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother's Name: Ethel
Mother's Birth Place: New Jersey
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wridge 3 Error 33 years old
Ethel Wridge 29 (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
Harold Wridge 9 (Born 12 Apr 1911 Missouri)
Ethel Wridge 6
Ralph Wridge 2 4/12
Mina Wridge 1 3/12
8 Apr 1930 Census: Baltimore City Baltimore, Maryland
Ward 23 Block 87 1724 Clarkson St. Dwelling 150 Family 155
Harold A Ridge
Home in 1930: Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912 Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: William A
Mother's Name: Ethel E (Ethel Marie nee Lindeborn)
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
William A Ridge 43
Ethel E Ridge 40 (Ethel Emma nee Linderborn)
Harold A Ridge 18 (Adopted or Stollen)
Ethel M Ridge 16
Ralph R Ridge 12
Nina F Ridge 11
Mildred L Ridge 9
Lavalle W Ridge 7
Amanda L Ridge 6
Milvin C Ridge 1
Here is a story that is true. Beyond what most would like to hear. There was a women born in Ronoake, Virginia who could not have children. She told more lies than the Democrats do.To start with, she was married in McAlester Oklahoma. A 1900 Coal Mine accident in McAlester drove her & her husband to Belleville, Illinois.She had a niece from McAlester that was house keeping her husband for a month while she & her adopted son went back to Roanoke, Virginia to visit her family. This resulted in a girl born to this niece in 1910 from Susan's husband.
In order for no one to know what her husband did, she stole that child from her niece and told everybody that the girl was her daughter. She also used a situation from a local woman to cover up who was stolen etc. This woman had a son & 2 daughters by a St. Louis, Doctor who would not divorce his wife. She told people one of those daughters was my mother to cover up what her husband did. A BIG LIE The son was stolen from her and given to the Ridges who at that time lived in Belleville. The two girls went to school with my mother and graduated from the Belleville, Illinois Jr. High School on 13 June 1924. Susan Hitchings nee McDurman. Her husband's friend from ,Belleville, Illinois also had a daughter from his niece. The church that he sang in the quire covered up this issue. He was told by Susan that my mother was his child. A BIG LIE. He believed it to be true. The ridge family & the family that this other woman belonged to all thought my mother was wer child. A BIG LIE. Susan told my mother that there was things that happened that no one would ever know.
TRUE UNTIL 5 YEARS AGO One day my mother went to her father and told him someone told her who her real parents were. The next day he was murdered and made to look like suicide by local politicians. Election was about to take place very soon. At that time he was a local judge.
I could go on & on. I know who is who period. My mother had one so called brother who was legally adopted. No Relation.
